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 More bullets needed?   

 By Brando 

 19/2/2013 

 3:57 am 

Changing fundamental things in the game is not something you do lightly - there are usually many pluses and many negatives to simple changes.

However it seems to be that if one player shoots 60k bullets above mid-rank, and you can only get 1k bullets per hour by clicking at the Bullet-Factories, that it would take you >2 days (without sleep) to reload your gun.

This seems less than adequate and perhaps we should revoke the limit - or increase it per rank?

We will run two VOTDs on this theme - for guidance, and invite your comments for discussion.

Short version: you should be able to buy more bullets.


 By Brando 

 19/2/2013 

 3:58 am 

As usual changing it to 1k per hour was probably something I sanctioned in the first place. Lord only knows why.

 By Brando 

 19/2/2013 

 3:59 am 

You will need to move the current VOTD on by actually voting. You. Lazy. Sods.

 By 4.0Riven 

 19/2/2013 

 4:49 am 

I rly dont think we should change this tbh, dont forget people need cash to buy them also.
only diffrence is that people will run out of cash faster.

 By 4.0Mmm 

 19/2/2013 

 5:46 am 

if you increase the amount of bullets you can buy, you also need to change the amount of cash peeps can get. Perhaps remove tiredness?

We probably will change tiredness a lot. Some other things to attend to first, but it is on \'Brando\'s naughty list\'.

 By 4.0Riven 

 19/2/2013 

 5:54 am 

BTW:
more bullets is not necessary before u change the KA, I mean whats the use in having loads of bullets when a dupe with 60 k can kill you ?
back in the days 1 mill bullets was as good advantage as +100 % rp, this games ka is more or less shit imo (no offense rly)
but it needs serious re-writing, equal to better acc KILL the weaker one.

PLEASE take this to serious consideration.

 By Brando 

 19/2/2013 

 6:00 am 


Quote: Riven on 05:54:41 19-02-2013
BTW:
more bullets is not necessary before u change the KA, I mean whats the use in having loads of bullets when a dupe with 60 k can kill you ?
back in the days 1 mill bullets was as good advantage as +100 % rp, this games ka is more or less shit imo (no offense rly)
but it needs serious re-writing, equal to better acc KILL the weaker one.

PLEASE take this to serious consideration.


I have mailed VMs asking for an opinion of this. I strongly suspect that this may be something to do with this game-version\'s Nouveau riche


 By 4.0Octubre 

 19/2/2013 

 6:14 am 

No, there\'s no need of more bullets.

What we\'re facing now, is the normalization of Omerta economy after a super-inflated version caused of course, by the bugged money.

Go check the families bullet factories, they all got over 10k bullets, or obay, the bullets packages are not being sold. By increasing the ammount of bullets at the LBF, you\'ll be widing the gap between rich and average players, that will lead to a (even) more boring gameplay.

and I think removing tiredness would be a huge mistake.

 By 4.0Insearch 

 19/2/2013 

 6:50 am 

1k bullets/hour it\'s just fine ... want more? ===> Obay (low ranks need to make some money also)

 By 4.0Crazymind 

 19/2/2013 

 7:01 am 

No not more bullets needed.
The problem is not the bullets, its the bodyguards.

First you need to spend a lot of cash on the bodyguards, which you cant use on bullets. In fact if you don\'t sell dc\'s you need soldier to get those 3 bg\'s right. With the 4th and 5th coming you really can\'t buy a decent amount of bullets before LC.
Next to that wars are way too hard at the moment. Because of retraining BG\'s its very expensive. So most people can only shoot one time. Especially for small fams its hard, since they dont have the cash to fund the retraining. This causes that when we look at wars, we always have to make sure we have at least 2x the amount of attackers vs defenders. Therefore small wars are not existing anymore, and thus all we see are big bangs and versions that get closed very fast.

Conclusion: Setting back old BG, or making current BG\'s much cheaper will increase bullet count and make it easier to start wars!

 By 4.0Thesilence 

 19/2/2013 

 7:10 am 

i agree with crazymind... the bgs are the problem, Entire training costs 15,7 million...every time u kill you need to pay like 2/3 maybe even 4/5 bgs back, thats extreemly expensive, and the ammouth of bullets dont hold us back from killing, but say you need 60 to 120k for your kill...Thats very expensive to... make them cheaper?

 By 4.0Tilde 

 19/2/2013 

 7:10 am 


Quote: Crazymind on 07:01:02 19-02-2013
No not more bullets needed.
The problem is not the bullets, its the bodyguards.

First you need to spend a lot of cash on the bodyguards, which you cant use on bullets. In fact if you don\'t sell dc\'s you need soldier to get those 3 bg\'s right. With the 4th and 5th coming you really can\'t buy a decent amount of bullets before LC.
Next to that wars are way too hard at the moment. Because of retraining BG\'s its very expensive. So most people can only shoot one time. Especially for small fams its hard, since they dont have the cash to fund the retraining. This causes that when we look at wars, we always have to make sure we have at least 2x the amount of attackers vs defenders. Therefore small wars are not existing anymore, and thus all we see are big bangs and versions that get closed very fast.

Conclusion: Setting back old BG, or making current BG\'s much cheaper will increase bullet count and make it easier to start wars!


I think it\'s all said in here.

 By 4.0Princeboogie 

 19/2/2013 

 8:15 am 


Quote: Crazymind on 07:01:02 19-02-2013
No not more bullets needed.
The problem is not the bullets, its the bodyguards.

First you need to spend a lot of cash on the bodyguards, which you cant use on bullets. In fact if you don\'t sell dc\'s you need soldier to get those 3 bg\'s right. With the 4th and 5th coming you really can\'t buy a decent amount of bullets before LC.
Next to that wars are way too hard at the moment. Because of retraining BG\'s its very expensive. So most people can only shoot one time. Especially for small fams its hard, since they dont have the cash to fund the retraining. This causes that when we look at wars, we always have to make sure we have at least 2x the amount of attackers vs defenders. Therefore small wars are not existing anymore, and thus all we see are big bangs and versions that get closed very fast.

Conclusion: Setting back old BG, or making current BG\'s much cheaper will increase bullet count and make it easier to start wars!


you nailed it.

 By 4.0Dope 

 19/2/2013 

 8:22 am 


Quote: Crazymind on 07:01:02 19-02-2013
No not more bullets needed.
The problem is not the bullets, its the bodyguards.

First you need to spend a lot of cash on the bodyguards, which you cant use on bullets. In fact if you don\'t sell dc\'s you need soldier to get those 3 bg\'s right. With the 4th and 5th coming you really can\'t buy a decent amount of bullets before LC.
Next to that wars are way too hard at the moment. Because of retraining BG\'s its very expensive. So most people can only shoot one time. Especially for small fams its hard, since they dont have the cash to fund the retraining. This causes that when we look at wars, we always have to make sure we have at least 2x the amount of attackers vs defenders. Therefore small wars are not existing anymore, and thus all we see are big bangs and versions that get closed very fast.

Conclusion: Setting back old BG, or making current BG\'s much cheaper will increase bullet count and make it easier to start wars!


+1

 By 4.0Smurfje 

 19/2/2013 

 8:22 am 


Quote: Crazymind on 07:01:02 19-02-2013
No not more bullets needed.
The problem is not the bullets, its the bodyguards.

First you need to spend a lot of cash on the bodyguards, which you cant use on bullets. In fact if you don\'t sell dc\'s you need soldier to get those 3 bg\'s right. With the 4th and 5th coming you really can\'t buy a decent amount of bullets before LC.
Next to that wars are way too hard at the moment. Because of retraining BG\'s its very expensive. So most people can only shoot one time. Especially for small fams its hard, since they dont have the cash to fund the retraining. This causes that when we look at wars, we always have to make sure we have at least 2x the amount of attackers vs defenders. Therefore small wars are not existing anymore, and thus all we see are big bangs and versions that get closed very fast.

Conclusion: Setting back old BG, or making current BG\'s much cheaper will increase bullet count and make it easier to start wars!


+1

 By 4.0Sirdigby 

 19/2/2013 

 8:55 am 

Getting bullets is crazy easy nowadays.
KA is hilariously attacker friendly

 By 4.0Goosy 

 19/2/2013 

 8:58 am 


Quote: Crazymind on 07:01:02 19-02-2013
No not more bullets needed.
The problem is not the bullets, its the bodyguards.

First you need to spend a lot of cash on the bodyguards, which you cant use on bullets. In fact if you don\'t sell dc\'s you need soldier to get those 3 bg\'s right. With the 4th and 5th coming you really can\'t buy a decent amount of bullets before LC.
Next to that wars are way too hard at the moment. Because of retraining BG\'s its very expensive. So most people can only shoot one time. Especially for small fams its hard, since they dont have the cash to fund the retraining. This causes that when we look at wars, we always have to make sure we have at least 2x the amount of attackers vs defenders. Therefore small wars are not existing anymore, and thus all we see are big bangs and versions that get closed very fast.

Conclusion: Setting back old BG, or making current BG\'s much cheaper will increase bullet count and make it easier to start wars!


+1

 By 4.0Sirdigby 

 19/2/2013 

 9:16 am 

Lets not forget that a lot of families tend to mass blood since a couple of years! It is so rare to see a fam with 4-5 bloods (NO ISPP does not count as 1 fam ), that is a big part opf the big bang problem, fams tend to pussy out and mass blood. Making retraining cheaper and thus making the ka even more attacker friendly would be stupid.
Buying a decent amount before hitting LC isn\'t as hard as some people say .

 By 4.0Elindio 

 19/2/2013 

 9:19 am 

Things HAVE to be hard. Going to war is a strategic choice, this is not .dm.

Not the purchasing speed/cost of bullets needs to change. The KA needs to be attacker-friendly like in 3.5 where shooting was no guarantee of succeeding and surviving, yet chances were big. Else the question is, what reason to try becoming topranker if it has next to no impact? Someone shoots you you\'re dead. Because of this KA people train 5 BGs on full def, money which is lacking for (re)training (new) BGs (for/)after shooting, money lacking for bullets etc.

Having many bullets has also got to do with having objects. If you have no proper object you will have problems to get fast bullets. Trying to acquire objects is an incentive, it might convince one or another fam to accept a plan. Fams which go through eliminating enemies successfully will have more objects to cover their rising needs.

If someone asks what about the 1k-cap in buying from LBF, there\'s still Obay. A market which shouldn\'t be reduced to DCs only. Don\'t make Bullets follow the dropped out BGs.

Short version:
- No need to fix bullets if BGs are fixed.
- No need to fix BGs if KA is fixed.
- KA of 3.5 was optimal: Attacker-friendly, where shooting is no guarantee of succeeding and surviving, yet chances are big.


PS: Don\'t change KA in mid of wars/after big wars/in mid of vers/... If you change it, early enough, read before the first war. Let us know when you change it. I also salute the decision of 40HQs, we haven\'t seen fams going up as sisterfam. When this game grows again, people will even shoot for HQs x)

 By 4.0Maryread 

 19/2/2013 

 9:33 am 

implending more bullets will increase the use of a bullet script. there fore the peeps will cry again because it will be to hard to buy them.. so please . keep it like it is .. maybe changing the waiting time for buying bullets will help

 By 4.0Riven 

 19/2/2013 

 9:43 am 


Quote: Elindio on 09:19:10 19-02-2013
Things HAVE to be hard. Going to war is a strategic choice, this is not .dm.

Not the purchasing speed/cost of bullets needs to change. The KA needs to be attacker-friendly like in 3.5 where shooting was no guarantee of succeeding and surviving, yet chances were big. Else the question is, what reason to try becoming topranker if it has next to no impact? Someone shoots you you\'re dead. Because of this KA people train 5 BGs on full def, money which is lacking for (re)training (new) BGs (for/)after shooting, money lacking for bullets etc.

Having many bullets has also got to do with having objects. If you have no proper object you will have problems to get fast bullets. Trying to acquire objects is an incentive, it might convince one or another fam to accept a plan. Fams which go through eliminating enemies successfully will have more objects to cover their rising needs.

If someone asks what about the 1k-cap in buying from LBF, there\'s still Obay. A market which shouldn\'t be reduced to DCs only. Don\'t make Bullets follow the dropped out BGs.

Short version:
- No need to fix bullets if BGs are fixed.
- No need to fix BGs if KA is fixed.
- KA of 3.5 was optimal: Attacker-friendly, where shooting is no guarantee of succeeding and surviving, yet chances are big.


PS: Don\'t change KA in mid of wars/after big wars/in mid of vers/... If you change it, early enough, read before the first war. Let us know when you change it. I also salute the decision of 40HQs, we haven\'t seen fams going up as sisterfam. When this game grows again, people will even shoot for HQs x)



you mean KA of 3.3 was optimal (it had its fault\'s just as the 3.5 one) but in 3.3 there was also a lower random factor than in the 3.5 one.


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